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[Alan_F]

another reason to go electric

The California legislature recently passed a bill banning the sale of new gas powered vehicles in the state by 2035. Meanwhile, the California Independent System Operator, which runs the state’s electrical power grid, asked residents to not charge their electric cars due to a lack of electricity.

Californians asked to not charge electric cars — days after gas ban announcement

California’s power grid operator has issued bulletins asking residents to avoid using large appliances and charging their electric cars in the evening amid a heat wave.

nypost.com

 

[Eric2203]

The California legislature recently passed a bill banning the sale of new gas powered vehicles in the state by 2035. Meanwhile, the California Independent System Operator, which runs the state’s electrical power grid, asked residents to not charge their electric cars due to a lack of electricity.

Californians asked to not charge electric cars — days after gas ban announcement

California’s power grid operator has issued bulletins asking residents to avoid using large appliances and charging their electric cars in the evening amid a heat wave.

nypost.com

We’re in 2022, not 2035.

 

[Zenar]

The California legislature recently passed a bill banning the sale of new gas powered vehicles in the state by 2035. Meanwhile, the California Independent System Operator, which runs the state’s electrical power grid, asked residents to not charge their electric cars due to a lack of electricity.

Californians asked to not charge electric cars — days after gas ban announcement

California’s power grid operator has issued bulletins asking residents to avoid using large appliances and charging their electric cars in the evening amid a heat wave.

nypost.com

I bought my house in 2009, it was a thing back then that the electricity supplier asked people to try and conserve energy during peak times, that's why they introduced peak time rates to curb the use of power during those hours. I signed up for the option of the supplier to turn down my A/C in my house during times where blackouts would occur. It happened once since then as my Smart Thermostat sends me a notification.
If you read the article it says
"The grid operator was asking residents to voluntarily reduce their power consumption by avoiding using “large appliances and charging electric vehicles” during peak usage hours of 4 p.m. to 9 p.m."
They are reminding people like they do every single year to try and lower there energy consumption to prevent blackouts.
This is a warning is all, considering +90% EV's are charged over night when rates are low I don't see the issue here. What they should do is lower the rates over night and raise the peak time rates to make people use different hours to do their laundry and charge there cars. There will always be people who don't care, or people that just don't have the option.

On the flip side, have you heard of the energy suppliers asking gas stations to shut down there pumps during peak times to prevent blackouts?

 

[Alan_F]

On the flip side, have you heard of the energy suppliers asking gas stations to shut down there pumps during peak times to prevent blackouts?

Both crude oil and refined gasoline products have huge storage facilities, so short term shortages do not affect supply at the pump. There is no practical way for electrical generating plants to store electricity.

 

[Alan_F]

We’re in 2022, not 2035.

As someone who claimed last year on this forum that inflation was transitory, your track record on predicting the future or understanding the current situation leaves a lot to be desired.

In order to meet that goal of 2035, people have to start buying more electrical cars immediately to reach 100% of sales being electric cars in 2035.

 

[Zenar]

Both crude oil and refined gasoline products have huge storage facilities, so short term shortages do not affect supply at the pump. There is no practical way for electrical generating plants to store electricity.

I am referring to gas stations.

 

[Zenar]

As someone who claimed last year on this forum that inflation was transitory, your track record on predicting the future or understanding the current situation leaves a lot to be desired.

In order to meet that goal of 2035, people have to start buying more electrical cars immediately to reach 100% of sales being electric cars in 2035.

This is a strategy to have the manufacturers supply California first to meet those goals and to allocate EV's to California first. It is used in some EU countries and it has proven to have the manufactures send more EV's to that country before others who have no such regulations

 

[Eric2203]

As someone who claimed last year on this forum that inflation was transitory, your track record on predicting the future or understanding the current situation leaves a lot to be desired.

In order to meet that goal of 2035, people have to start buying more electrical cars immediately to reach 100% of sales being electric cars in 2035.

Inflation is still transitory. In case you haven’t noticed, it has slowed down. As to your track record of understanding, you claimed people were making more money working illegally without a shred of evidence. Turns out a lot of the people who exited the workforce took early retirement, as was demonstrated by actual numbers instead of conspiracy websites.

Back to the point: you’re linking electric supply issues in 2022 to a ban on ICE in 2035. That’s 13 years apart. The infrastructure can and will change in 13 years. Linking the 2 is shortsighted and misleading.

No, it’s not up to people to start buying more EVs to reach 100% in 2035. What has to happen is for both the infrastructure to improve and manufacturers to expand their EV offer. Then an increase in EV purchases will happen organically and naturally.

In fact, manufacturers have already announced when they’d stop selling ICE. A lot of those dates are before 2035 and were announced long before the CA and EU bans on ICE. So this ban changes little in the grand scheme of things, but keep getting angry at it because Fox News tells you to instead of looking at the whole picture.

 

[Alan_F]

Inflation is still transitory. In case you haven’t noticed, it has slowed down. As to your track record of understanding, you claimed people were making more money working illegally without a shred of evidence. Turns out a lot of the people who exited the workforce took early retirement, as was demonstrated by actual numbers instead of conspiracy websites.

Back to the point: you’re linking electric supply issues in 2022 to a ban on ICE in 2035. That’s 13 years apart. The infrastructure can and will change in 13 years. Linking the 2 is shortsighted and misleading.

No, it’s not up to people to start buying more EVs to reach 100% in 2035. What has to happen is for both the infrastructure to improve and manufacturers to expand their EV offer. Then an increase in EV purchases will happen organically and naturally.

In fact, manufacturers have already announced when they’d stop selling ICE. A lot of those dates are before 2035 and were announced long before the CA and EU bans on ICE. So this ban changes little in the grand scheme of things, but keep getting angry at it because Fox News tells you to instead of looking at the whole picture.

When inflation "slows down" from 9% to 6%, that is still unacceptable. When it gets back to the historical Fed target of 2%, then let men know.

Yes, auto manufacturers will have to respond to regulations regarding prohibitions on selling new gasoline cars, but that doesn't mean that the US electrical grid can actually support such mandate. Of course, most of the strongest advocates of eclectic cars don't understand that the majority of electricity in the US is produced by electrical generating plants using fossil fuels (mostly natural gas and coal). The vast majority of electric car advocates will not accept the building on new nuclear powered electric plants.

We can improve the electric car charging infrastructure all we want, but if there is not enough electricity to charge the cars then there is going to be a big problem.

 

[Eric2203]

When inflation "slows down" from 9% to 6%, that is still unacceptable. When it gets back to the historical Fed target of 2%, then let men know.

I didn’t say it was acceptable. I said it’s still transitory. What did you think I meant by “transitory” before? A couple of weeks? Lol.. we’re a little over a year in. That’s still very much transitory. There’s inertia in inflation; it doesn’t turn on a dime. It has slowed down a little and gas prices have been decreasing again (largely a function of OPEC+ finally getting back to pre-COVID production levels a couple of months earlier than planned).

Yes, auto manufacturers will have to respond to regulations regarding prohibitions on selling new gasoline cars, but that doesn't mean that the US electrical grid can actually support such mandate. Of course, most of the strongest advocates of eclectic cars don't understand that the majority of electricity in the US is produced by electrical generating plants using fossil fuels (mostly natural gas and coal). The vast majority of electric car advocates will not accept the building on new nuclear powered electric plants.

We can improve the electric car charging infrastructure all we want, but if there is not enough electricity to charge the cars then there is going to be a big problem.

Same answer as above. You assume today’s problems will never get solved and that therefore EVs are doomed. You don’t seem to understand that a transition to full EV will take several decades. There is plenty of time for the infrastructure to adapt and improve. Case in point:
- Generating capacity increase in the US in 2022: The U.S. power grid added 15 GW of generating capacity in the first half of 2022. You’ll note that more capacity is being added than retired.
- Same numbers for 2021 at the end of this article (and also on the EIA website, if you search): America's Electricity Generating Capacity | American Public Power Association. Again, more capacity is added than retired.
- Worldwide electricity production: Electricity Production Data | World Electricity Statistics | Enerdata (scroll down to chart on that page). Note the increase every year.

To your point about where electricity comes from, note the speed at which renewables are increasing.

Bottom line, there’s plenty of empirical evidence showing that the grid adds capacity every year. Comparing 2022 numbers with 2035 makes no sense. And there’ll still be plenty of ICEs on the roads in 2035 anyway, even if they can no longer be sold as new. The average age of a car on the road in the US is higher than 12 years. There’ll still be cars with ICEs on the road in 2050.

Oh and car manufacturers had already announced a transition to EVs long before any mandate to stop selling ICEs had passed (there were none until June 2022 when the EU passed their ban for 2035).

 

[Alan_F]

I am referring to gas stations.

I don't understand your comment. If a gas station runs out of gas, you can go to another gas station. Plus, gas is stored at each gas station in storage tanks, so there is no intra-day peak demand that causes a problem, and the station can request truck deliveries from the refinery (or gasoline pipeline depot) as needed. The refineries themselves have huge storage capabilities of gasoline, and crude oil used to feed the refineries also has huge storage capabilities, including the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve, government complex of four sites with deep underground storage caverns created in salt domes along the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coasts. Electricity is different in that it cannot be easily stored by the electrical utility providers.

 

[Eric2203]

Electricity is different in that it cannot be easily stored by the electrical utility providers.

But it can. Battery storage: U.S. utility-scale battery storage power capacity to grow substantially by 2023

Nowhere near enough yet of course, but it is growing.