Soon to be New 21’ Palisade Calligraphy Owner

[Eric2203]

I compared the 2021 Limited with the 2021 Calligraphy according the price sheet posted above, and the only functional items missing on the 2021 Limited are Downhill Brake Control, and Snow Mode, since one can get AWD on the Limited. The rest of the stuff are purely aesthetic items, most of which don't appeal to me (especially the wheels).

To say that the 2021 Limited is a "lot less" appealing is ridiculous IMO.

You’re incorrect. Downhill brake control and Snow mode are on all AWD models, regardless of trim level. See page 3 of the new price sheet where it details what AWD gets you for all trim levels. All of them get these features when selecting AWD.

So the Calligraphy offers nothing more than cosmetic items over the Limited AWD. Compare the 2 price sheets and you’ll see that those unique cosmetic items moved from the Limited to the Calligraphy.

That is why I said that the Limited was a lot less appealing unless you want only FWD. Emphasis on “unless you want only FWD”, which you conveniently left out of my quote when calling it ridiculous. Because if you’re going to get AWD, you might as well go Calligraphy, since the difference in price is less $1,000. There’s no reason to buy the Limited AWD.

PS: the suede headliner on the Limited is very nice. The Calligraphy now gets it, while the Limited gets something called “mélange“ headliner, whatever that is. You say who cares, but I guarantee you the suede one gets comments from everyone once they see it and feel it. It’s a shame to lose that on the Limited. You don’t own a Palisade yet if I’m not mistaken, so trust existing owners on that front.

And the price list no longer shows exclusive grille for the Limited, premium cargo sill plate, or the Limited-exclusive wheels, among other things.

 

[Alan_F]

So the wheels for limited will stay the same as 2020? Someone had posted a picture of one in another forum that showed that not to be the case.

Now that you mention it, I am not 100% sure. Do you have a link that shows 2021 Limited?

 

[Alan_F]

You’re incorrect. Downhill brake control and Snow mode are on all AWD models, regardless of trim level. See page 3 of the new price sheet where it details what AWD gets you for all trim levels. All of them get these features when selecting AWD.

So the Calligraphy offers nothing more than cosmetic items over the Limited AWD. Compare the 2 price sheets and you’ll see that those unique cosmetic items moved from the Limited to the Calligraphy.

That is why I said that the Limited was a lot less appealing unless you want only FWD. Emphasis on “unless you want only FWD”, which you conveniently left out of my quote when calling it ridiculous. Because if you’re going to get AWD, you might as well go Calligraphy, since the difference in price is less $1,000. There’s no reason to buy the Limited AWD.

PS: the suede headliner on the Limited is very nice. The Calligraphy now gets it, while the Limited gets something called “mélange“ headliner, whatever that is. You say who cares, but I guarantee you the suede one gets comments from everyone once they see it and feel it. It’s a shame to lose that on the Limited. You don’t own a Palisade yet if I’m not mistaken, so trust existing owners on that front.

And the price list no longer shows exclusive grille for the Limited, premium cargo sill plate, or the Limited-exclusive wheels, among other things.

I did look at the price sheet. As I said, the differences are aesthetic (cosmetic), and are not functional differences.

As far as headliners, I am not into fondling headliners, and never even notice them. I have a black interior on my Genesis, and could not even tell you if the headliner is black or white or whatever.

As far as trusting you (the guy who went berserk because Hyundai Finance could not handle you making additional principal payments on your loan each month), not a chance in hell.

 

[Eric2203]

I did look at the price sheet. As I said, the differences are aesthetic (cosmetic), and are not functional differences.

As far as headliners, I am not into fondling headliners, and never even notice them. I have a black interior on my Genesis, and could not even tell you if the headliner is black or white or whatever.

As far as trusting you (the guy who went berserk because Hyundai Finance could not handle you making additional principal payments on your loan each month), not a chance in hell.

And yet, I’m the one who has to point out to you that you didn’t read the price sheet carefully and didn’t realize that the downhill brake control and snow mode come with AWD on all trims. So yes, you did think there were functional differences. And you’re the one who misquoted me in the previous post when I said the Limited AWD isn’t worth buying over the Calligraphy, by generalizing my statement to all Limited models. Which is not what I said.

Whether you care about headliners isn’t relevant. Others may. You’re not representative of every buyer. The point was that the 2021 has had content removed in favor of the Calligraphy, which the headliner is an example of. I’ve explained that in my last post.

I don’t see how a previous post about Hyundai Finance has anything to do with this, seeing as you were the one misunderstanding that thread, as was made clear by the end of it, and seeing as I’m the one providing price sheets with actual equipment details in this thread. Something which I’ve been doing on all Palisade forums for a long time, which people appreciate. But like that Finance thread, you only read every other word and jump to conclusions again.

By the way, I said trust existing owners, not me specifically.

 

[Alan_F]

I don’t see how a previous post about Hyundai Finance has anything to do with this, seeing as you were the one misunderstanding that thread, as was made clear by the end of it, and seeing as I’m the one providing price sheets with actual equipment details in this thread. Something which I’ve been doing on all Palisade forums for a long time, which people appreciate. But like that Finance thread, you only read every other word and jump to conclusions again.

No, you changed your story multiple times in that Finance thread. Nothing you said was clear or consistent.

As far as the 2021, the point of my post (which you brutally attacked) was that the changes were basically cosmetic, and not functional, which you have now confirmed. Some of the cosmetic features on the Calligraphy could be purchased from Hyundai Parts Department and retrofitted onto a Limited trim level if someone was that concerned about it.

In the past, Hyundai has made some small errors in their specs, so we will have to see if the 2021 Limited wheels and grille are the same as 2020. Most people prefer the SEL grille anyway.

 

[bruesjoh04]

This is the 2021 Limited. They’ve been floating around for over a week. On the outside, it essentially looks like an SEL without the dark plastic around the wheels and bumpers.

The 2021 Limited has lost (compared to 2020):
-exclusive grille and chrome bumper inserts
-exclusive wheels
-rear LED accent lighting

On the inside:
-no more suede headliner
-no more perforated steering wheel
-no more quilted leather door inserts
-no more premium cargo sill plate

It obviously still is a nice model, but it no longer has the fancy visual distinctions that the 2020 did. Most of those have made their way to the Calligraphy, which is unfortunate because it is only available in AWD and in three colors.

By the way (I believe this was already addressed, but I’ll reiterate here), the snow mode and DBC are not exclusive to the Calligraphy. They are a feature on any Palisade with AWD. The only reason they’re called out on the spec sheet is because the Calligraphy is the only model that comes standard with AWD, all of the others are available with FWD or AWD.

 

[Eric2203]

Post from you in this thread claiming that Downhill Brake Control and Snow mode are exclusive to the Calligraphy. These are functional items.

The only functional features that the Calligraphy trim adds are AWD, Downhill Brake Control, and Snow Mode. The rest are relatively minor cosmetic add-ons. Since you don't want AWD, why not just get a 2021 Limited?

Second post from you in this thread claiming the same thing.

Headliner, quilted leather door trim, etc, are aesthetic and not functional items. The only functional items standard on the Calligraphy, but not standard on the 2021 Limited are AWD, Downhill Brake Control, and Snow Mode. But you can still get AWD on a Limited so it is really just the later two.

I have rarely looked at the headliner of any car I have owned, and right now I could not tell you what color or material of the headliner on my Genesis. Who cares whether it is suede?

You can probably order the Calligraphy sill plate and install on a 2021 Limited, as well as a few other items.

The Limited grill and wheels did not change in 2021 compared to 2020 Limited. Maybe you like the new Calligraphy grille better than the Limited, but you could swap that out also. There are some other Palisade aftermarket grills also (probably also some sill plates, etc).

No, you changed your story multiple times in that Finance thread. Nothing you said was clear or consistent.

As far as the 2021, the point of my post (which you brutally attacked) was that the changes were basically cosmetic, and not functional, which you have now confirmed. Some of the cosmetic features on the Calligraphy could be purchased from Hyundai Parts Department and retrofitted onto a Limited trim level if someone was that concerned about it.

In the past, Hyundai has made some small errors in their specs, so we will have to see if the 2021 Limited wheels and grille are the same as 2020. Most people prefer the SEL grille anyway.

As you can see, you did claim that there were functional changes, which is why I said you were incorrect.

The other cosmetic items make the AWD Limited not worth buying because the Calligraphy is less than $1000 more expensive. You misunderstood that and thought I claimed all Limited models, both FWD and AWD weren’t worth it. That was also incorrect.

The post above by @bruesjoh04 shows that you’re wrong about the Limited wheels, which matches what I said a few posts up: the price sheet no longer shows exclusive wheels for the Limited.

In other words, you’re wrong again. I invite everyone to go read that thread about Hyundai Finance that you keep referring to. It’s painfully obvious you weren’t paying attention when reading. You even posted that you were sorry for misunderstanding by the end of it. I’m not going through this again with you.

 

[Alan_F]

Post from you in this thread claiming that Downhill Brake Control and Snow mode are exclusive to the Calligraphy. These are functional items.

Second post from you in this thread claiming the same thing.


As you can see, you did claim that there were functional changes, which is why I said you were incorrect.

The other cosmetic items make the AWD Limited not worth buying because the Calligraphy is less than $1000 more expensive. You misunderstood that and thought I claimed all Limited models, both FWD and AWD weren’t worth it. That was also incorrect.

The post above by @bruesjoh04 shows that you’re wrong about the Limited wheels, which matches what I said a few posts up: the price sheet no longer shows exclusive wheels for the Limited.

In other words, you’re wrong again. I invite everyone to go read that thread about Hyundai Finance that you keep referring to. It’s painfully obvious you weren’t paying attention when reading. You even posted that you were sorry for misunderstanding by the end of it. I’m not going through this again with you.

Yes, I agree that I should not have mentioned Downhill Brake Control and Snow mode since they come on all AWD models. But that just reinforces my main point that there were no functional items left off the 2021 Limited.

The wheels, if different, are a cosmetic item. Same size (20") as the 2020 wheels. But I wonder how they know for sure that pic is a 2021 Limited?

I think the 2020 Limited grille looked worse than that the SEL, so good that 2021 Limited uses same grille (if that photo is accurate).

 

[bruesjoh04]

Yes, I agree that I should not have mentioned Downhill Brake Control and Snow mode since they come on all AWD models. But that just reinforces my main point that there were no functional items left off the 2021 Limited.

The wheels, if different, are a cosmetic item. Same size (20") as the 2020 wheels. But I wonder how they know for sure that pic is a 2021 Limited?

I think the 2020 Limited grille looked worse than that the SEL, so good that 2021 Limited uses same grille (if that photo is accurate).

Definitely 2021. Take five minutes and look on Autotrader or the like and see them starting to show up. Unfortunately, not many dealers have pictures.

Here's another one (window sticker), the light colors really make it obvious it's a Limited and not an SEL.


This one has a ton of pictures to see many of the changes.

 

[mpmz71]

Yes, I agree that I should not have mentioned Downhill Brake Control and Snow mode since they come on all AWD models. But that just reinforces my main point that there were no functional items left off the 2021 Limited.

The wheels, if different, are a cosmetic item. Same size (20") as the 2020 wheels. But I wonder how they know for sure that pic is a 2021 Limited?

I think the 2020 Limited grille looked worse than that the SEL, so good that 2021 Limited uses same grille (if that photo is accurate).

I too preferred the regular grilled slightly. I just can't get past the wheels. While that is just aesthetics, it can ruin the look of a car. They really should offer multiple wheel types if they are going to go that far out on a ledge with those wheels on the Calligraphy.

 

[Eric2203]

Great video posted by someone else on the other Palisade forum, showing the differences between model years on the Limited. They’ve removed all the exclusive content and pushed it to the Calligraphy. There’s enough exclusive stuff here to wonder why the difference in price between a 2021 AWD Limited and 2021 Calligraphy (which is only available with AWD) is less than $1000. I don’t know why anyone would buy the 2021 Limited with AWD. Lower trims or Calligraphy is the way to go. For FWD cars, the Limited is a valid option.

 

[mpmz71]

Great video posted by someone else on the other Palisade forum, showing the differences between model years on the Limited. They’ve removed all the exclusive content and pushed it to the Calligraphy. There’s enough exclusive stuff here to wonder why the difference in price between a 2021 AWD Limited and 2021 Calligraphy (which is only available with AWD) is less than $1000. I don’t know why anyone would buy the 2021 Limited with AWD. Lower trims or Calligraphy is the way to go. For FWD cars, the Limited is a valid option.

Thank you so much for posting this! I was trying to find something like this to help my decision.

 

[Gene]

video comparison of 2020 & 2021 limited
Eric beat me to it

 

[Alan_F]

The real question is whether they fixed the wind noise., driveshaft problem on AWD, and the other nagging problems on the 2021's.

I personally prefer the 2021 Limited grille over the 2020. I like the 2020 Limited wheels, but the 2021 Limited wheels are OK (unlike the Calligraphy wheels which are hideous IMO).

 

[mpmz71]

The real question is whether they fixed the wind noise., driveshaft problem on AWD, and the other nagging problems on the 2021's.

I personally prefer the 2021 Limited grille over the 2020. I like the 2020 Limited wheels, but the 2021 Limited wheels are OK (unlike the Calligraphy wheels which are hideous IMO).

I would love to know that as well, but I'm not sure that I'll be able to wait long enough to find out and still get a 2020 of they didn't.

 

[mpmz71]

I noticed a few 2020's had what looked to be Hyundai OEM 20" black wheels. They looked pretty similar to the 2020 Limited wheels but in black. Will those be offered for 2021s? I'm wondering if i can get a Calligraphy with those wheels. Is there any info I can find on these wheels?

 

[bruesjoh04]

I noticed a few 2020's had what looked to be Hyundai OEM 20" black wheels. They looked pretty similar to the 2020 Limited wheels but in black. Will those be offered for 2021s? I'm wondering if i can get a Calligraphy with those wheels. Is there any info I can find on these wheels?

Nothing like that was ever an official option. If you saw it, it would have just been individual dealers painting/coating the original wheels as a way to charge more money.

 

[Gene]

You can put a wrap on any of the wheels to make them black

 

[raggedy1]

I don’t always look at my headliner and it wouldn’t be a deal breaker, but the microfiber “suede” is a really nice looking addition over any standard material headliner. I do look at it on the A pillar and many times when I turn around to look behind me (reversing or yelling at the kids)

I had my headliner and parts of my door panels on another car re-done in a nice fake suede and really love the feel and look.

The smooth door panels on the 2021 Limited look terrible. And I never thought much about the led accent lighting on the rear taillights, but seeing them side by side next to the non-LED panel really highlights the premium look of it.

Aesthetic changes from 2020 to 2021? Yes, but people have always been willing to pay for aesthetic upgrades.

I’m perfectly happy with my 2020 Limited and am glad I have it over either 2021 models (Limited or Caligraphy)

I have some wind noise but not enough to make an issue of it. The AWD driveline vibration has been mostly taken care as far as I know. My car never suffered from it and it was manufactured dec 2019

 

[Flitzer]

Good Morning Everyone! Just thought I would finally say hello. Been lurking for a few weeks and decided to post. ...
MSRP and whatever promotions/discounts (education/first responder/etc) which is awesome. Once I get delivery I’ll post more! Motor on!

Same here: Been sitting on the fence and watching, ready to purchase a'21 Calligraphy. No dealer with a definite arrival date yet. If it has to be MSRP, so be it, but I hope the dealer won't play the markup game. Checked with Costco's Autoprogram, but they haven't begun to include the '21 Palisade yet.
I see the discussion on the nothing but aesthetic "upgrades" for 2021. To me, the introduction of a 7-point trailer connector is functional, and should make installation of a trailer brake controller easier. My opinion: the latter should be a standard feature, as long as you allow a 5000 lb GVWR on an SUV.