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Wind noise and buffering in Hyundai Palisade

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That is a new one. Let us know what the dealership finds.
Make sure they test under the same conditions you fine it at.
The usual answer is could not duplicate.
If you get this file a complaint with the Hyundai consumer office
for your area. numbers can be found on page 8-12 of owners manual
 
We still haven't decided, they are still working on the settlement. We love the car as mentioned before, but we did test a drive a Mazda CX-9..wow what a quiet car!!

KWR said:
Were working with corporate now, we love the car and would like to replace, if they don't allow a replacement, we will get a different car.
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followed the suggestions from others posted earlier in this thread (or other threads).

First off, if you have wind buffeting like CVP33 had, then I wouldn't bother trying to fix it with foam rope. Wind buffeting is an issue I would force my dealer to handle, and if they can't fix it then go down the Lemon Law road.

Ok, so I bought this:

Trim-Lok Cord Stock Rubber Seal – EPDM Closed Cell Solid Foam Tubing – Ideal Door and Window Weather Seal for Cars, Trucks, RVs, Boats, and The Home – 0.38” Diameter, 25’ Length: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
Trim-Lok Cord Stock Rubber Seal – EPDM Closed Cell Solid Foam Tubing – Ideal Door and Window Weather Seal for Cars, Trucks, RVs, Boats, and The Home – 0.38” Diameter, 25’ Length: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
www.amazon.com

the 3/8 diameter rope is the first one I bought, but to do a full treatment I ended up also buying the 1/4" diameter rope.

I did my treatment in 3 steps to see what could solve my wind whistling issue. I had a slight wind whistle at times as low as 15mph (crosswinds) and whistling at 60mph+. My wind issues were only present with the HVAC in the open position (fresh air coming in).

Also, before I go on, regardless of whether any Palisade owners have wind problems or not, the Palisade is NOT vault quiet or a deprivation chamber. It is a large mid-size SUV and you will feel the road and hear some wind around the mirrors and pillars. It is every bit as quiet and smooth as its direct competition (CX-9, Highlander, MDX, Ascent).

Step 1: 3/8 " rope into the interior window channel that runs from the A pillar to the B pillar (up and over the window). I started at the base of the B pillar and inserted the foam rope and fed it into this channel all the way until I reached the A pillar. I cut off enough rope at the end to ensure I stuffed an extra 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch rope down into the base of the channel. The rope in this channel causes the rubber seal to bulge out, creating a tighter seal against the glass. Admittedly, this did not solve my wind whistle.

Step 2: 1/4" foam rope into the outside/exterior window "sweep." This is the rubber piece at the base of the window/top of the door. Roll the window glass all the way down and you'll be able to see that the exterior window sweep can be split apart and the 1/4" rope can be inserted between the two rubber sweeps. Cut enough to ensure there is rope inserted the full length of the this window sweep. This helps create a tighter seal on the exterior side of the glass. For me this did not solve my wind whistle.

Step 3: 3/8" foam rope inserted into the interior window sweep. This rubber sweep/seal is visible when you roll the glass all the way down into the door. Look from the top and you'll see the "V shaped" channel sweep. I installed the foam rope into this channel. There is more tension on the foam rope on the B pillar end of the channel then there is near the A pillar. Also, at the base of the A pillar, in this window sweep channel, you may find a piece of black foam that dealer or the port had installed trying to quell the wind noise issues. My initial installation did not stop my wind whistle, but it did make it so that my wind whistle was only present at 70mph+, which to me signaled that I might have found the cause of my problem since the whistle used to be present at 60mph+. So I tackled this area with more foam and inserted a 1/2" piece into the gap at the base of the B pillar where it goes into the door. I forced the foam under the door panel thinking this small area could be a source of air escaping, thus creating a whistle.

Wrong! having this extra 1/2" piece closing off the base of the B pillar made my whistle present at 40mph+.

So I removed the 1/2" piece and then fiddled with the 3/8" foam rope I had inserted into the interior window sweep. Using my plastic "spudger" I made sure I had a really tight seal at the end of the channel where the "V channel window sweep" ends into the B pillar. Voila! No more wind whistle!

I tested this over the past few days at speeds up to 95mph with the HVAC in the open position. No wind whistle. There is always more wind noise with the HVAC open compared to closed, but I find this is the same in all cars. Cars always run quieter when the HVAC is in Recirc Mode since no fresh air is being allowed/rammed into the passenger cabinet.

If you're going to try this "fix," then have a plastic spudger at hand to push the foam into place. The channels are tight and you don't want to use a metal tool to push the foam.

So I am completely happy with my wind noise fix and have no more whistle! Two months ago I had to have the local dealer fix my wheel alignment and I had mentioned the wind whistle. The manager told me they would replace the window seals, even though the TSB has been pulled. I didn't take him up on the offer since I had heard it fixed the issue for some, but made the issue worse for others since they haven't redesigned the seal from the original design. So dealers are still willing to try to tackle the wind noise problems, but I fixed it for myself.
 
raggedy1 said:
followed the suggestions from others posted earlier in this thread (or other threads).

First off, if you have wind buffeting like CVP33 had, then I wouldn't bother trying to fix it with foam rope. Wind buffeting is an issue I would force my dealer to handle, and if they can't fix it then go down the Lemon Law road.

Ok, so I bought this:

Trim-Lok Cord Stock Rubber Seal – EPDM Closed Cell Solid Foam Tubing – Ideal Door and Window Weather Seal for Cars, Trucks, RVs, Boats, and The Home – 0.38” Diameter, 25’ Length: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
Trim-Lok Cord Stock Rubber Seal – EPDM Closed Cell Solid Foam Tubing – Ideal Door and Window Weather Seal for Cars, Trucks, RVs, Boats, and The Home – 0.38” Diameter, 25’ Length: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
www.amazon.com

the 3/8 diameter rope is the first one I bought, but to do a full treatment I ended up also buying the 1/4" diameter rope.

I did my treatment in 3 steps to see what could solve my wind whistling issue. I had a slight wind whistle at times as low as 15mph (crosswinds) and whistling at 60mph+. My wind issues were only present with the HVAC in the open position (fresh air coming in).

Also, before I go on, regardless of whether any Palisade owners have wind problems or not, the Palisade is NOT vault quiet or a deprivation chamber. It is a large mid-size SUV and you will feel the road and hear some wind around the mirrors and pillars. It is every bit as quiet and smooth as its direct competition (CX-9, Highlander, MDX, Ascent).

Step 1: 3/8 " rope into the interior window channel that runs from the A pillar to the B pillar (up and over the window). I started at the base of the B pillar and inserted the foam rope and fed it into this channel all the way until I reached the A pillar. I cut off enough rope at the end to ensure I stuffed an extra 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch rope down into the base of the channel. The rope in this channel causes the rubber seal to bulge out, creating a tighter seal against the glass. Admittedly, this did not solve my wind whistle.

Step 2: 1/4" foam rope into the outside/exterior window "sweep." This is the rubber piece at the base of the window/top of the door. Roll the window glass all the way down and you'll be able to see that the exterior window sweep can be split apart and the 1/4" rope can be inserted between the two rubber sweeps. Cut enough to ensure there is rope inserted the full length of the this window sweep. This helps create a tighter seal on the exterior side of the glass. For me this did not solve my wind whistle.

Step 3: 3/8" foam rope inserted into the interior window sweep. This rubber sweep/seal is visible when you roll the glass all the way down into the door. Look from the top and you'll see the "V shaped" channel sweep. I installed the foam rope into this channel. There is more tension on the foam rope on the B pillar end of the channel then there is near the A pillar. Also, at the base of the A pillar, in this window sweep channel, you may find a piece of black foam that dealer or the port had installed trying to quell the wind noise issues. My initial installation did not stop my wind whistle, but it did make it so that my wind whistle was only present at 70mph+, which to me signaled that I might have found the cause of my problem since the whistle used to be present at 60mph+. So I tackled this area with more foam and inserted a 1/2" piece into the gap at the base of the B pillar where it goes into the door. I forced the foam under the door panel thinking this small area could be a source of air escaping, thus creating a whistle.

Wrong! having this extra 1/2" piece closing off the base of the B pillar made my whistle present at 40mph+.

So I removed the 1/2" piece and then fiddled with the 3/8" foam rope I had inserted into the interior window sweep. Using my plastic "spudger" I made sure I had a really tight seal at the end of the channel where the "V channel window sweep" ends into the B pillar. Voila! No more wind whistle!

I tested this over the past few days at speeds up to 95mph with the HVAC in the open position. No wind whistle. There is always more wind noise with the HVAC open compared to closed, but I find this is the same in all cars. Cars always run quieter when the HVAC is in Recirc Mode since no fresh air is being allowed/rammed into the passenger cabinet.

If you're going to try this "fix," then have a plastic spudger at hand to push the foam into place. The channels are tight and you don't want to use a metal tool to push the foam.

So I am completely happy with my wind noise fix and have no more whistle! Two months ago I had to have the local dealer fix my wheel alignment and I had mentioned the wind whistle. The manager told me they would replace the window seals, even though the TSB has been pulled. I didn't take him up on the offer since I had heard it fixed the issue for some, but made the issue worse for others since they haven't redesigned the seal from the original design. So dealers are still willing to try to tackle the wind noise problems, but I fixed it for myself.
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Great job of fixing the problem. Do you have any pictures of the area where you put the foam tubing, that solved the whistle?
 
KnotGillty said:
Great job of fixing the problem. Do you have any pictures of the area where you put the foam tubing, that solved the whistle?
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It’s hard to get a good picture. If you roll the glass all the way down and look from the top you will see there is a recessed window seal on the inside of the glass (and outside too of course).

It’s the inside channel that I filled to finally cure my car of any whistle.
 

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Also keep in mind that the first attempt of putting the foam tubing in this channel only resulted in the wind whistle being delayed until 70mph.

It was my second attempt that I pulled the tubing out and reinstalled it that cured the whistle. I think I made more of an effort to ensure the tubing was firmly seated in the corner you see pictured (the B pillar end).
 
raggedy1 said:
followed the suggestions from others posted earlier in this thread (or other threads).

First off, if you have wind buffeting like CVP33 had, then I wouldn't bother trying to fix it with foam rope. Wind buffeting is an issue I would force my dealer to handle, and if they can't fix it then go down the Lemon Law road.

Ok, so I bought this:

Trim-Lok Cord Stock Rubber Seal – EPDM Closed Cell Solid Foam Tubing – Ideal Door and Window Weather Seal for Cars, Trucks, RVs, Boats, and The Home – 0.38” Diameter, 25’ Length: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
Trim-Lok Cord Stock Rubber Seal – EPDM Closed Cell Solid Foam Tubing – Ideal Door and Window Weather Seal for Cars, Trucks, RVs, Boats, and The Home – 0.38” Diameter, 25’ Length: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
www.amazon.com

the 3/8 diameter rope is the first one I bought, but to do a full treatment I ended up also buying the 1/4" diameter rope.

I did my treatment in 3 steps to see what could solve my wind whistling issue. I had a slight wind whistle at times as low as 15mph (crosswinds) and whistling at 60mph+. My wind issues were only present with the HVAC in the open position (fresh air coming in).

Also, before I go on, regardless of whether any Palisade owners have wind problems or not, the Palisade is NOT vault quiet or a deprivation chamber. It is a large mid-size SUV and you will feel the road and hear some wind around the mirrors and pillars. It is every bit as quiet and smooth as its direct competition (CX-9, Highlander, MDX, Ascent).

Step 1: 3/8 " rope into the interior window channel that runs from the A pillar to the B pillar (up and over the window). I started at the base of the B pillar and inserted the foam rope and fed it into this channel all the way until I reached the A pillar. I cut off enough rope at the end to ensure I stuffed an extra 1/4 inch or 3/8 inch rope down into the base of the channel. The rope in this channel causes the rubber seal to bulge out, creating a tighter seal against the glass. Admittedly, this did not solve my wind whistle.

Step 2: 1/4" foam rope into the outside/exterior window "sweep." This is the rubber piece at the base of the window/top of the door. Roll the window glass all the way down and you'll be able to see that the exterior window sweep can be split apart and the 1/4" rope can be inserted between the two rubber sweeps. Cut enough to ensure there is rope inserted the full length of the this window sweep. This helps create a tighter seal on the exterior side of the glass. For me this did not solve my wind whistle.

Step 3: 3/8" foam rope inserted into the interior window sweep. This rubber sweep/seal is visible when you roll the glass all the way down into the door. Look from the top and you'll see the "V shaped" channel sweep. I installed the foam rope into this channel. There is more tension on the foam rope on the B pillar end of the channel then there is near the A pillar. Also, at the base of the A pillar, in this window sweep channel, you may find a piece of black foam that dealer or the port had installed trying to quell the wind noise issues. My initial installation did not stop my wind whistle, but it did make it so that my wind whistle was only present at 70mph+, which to me signaled that I might have found the cause of my problem since the whistle used to be present at 60mph+. So I tackled this area with more foam and inserted a 1/2" piece into the gap at the base of the B pillar where it goes into the door. I forced the foam under the door panel thinking this small area could be a source of air escaping, thus creating a whistle.

Wrong! having this extra 1/2" piece closing off the base of the B pillar made my whistle present at 40mph+.

So I removed the 1/2" piece and then fiddled with the 3/8" foam rope I had inserted into the interior window sweep. Using my plastic "spudger" I made sure I had a really tight seal at the end of the channel where the "V channel window sweep" ends into the B pillar. Voila! No more wind whistle!

I tested this over the past few days at speeds up to 95mph with the HVAC in the open position. No wind whistle. There is always more wind noise with the HVAC open compared to closed, but I find this is the same in all cars. Cars always run quieter when the HVAC is in Recirc Mode since no fresh air is being allowed/rammed into the passenger cabinet.

If you're going to try this "fix," then have a plastic spudger at hand to push the foam into place. The channels are tight and you don't want to use a metal tool to push the foam.

So I am completely happy with my wind noise fix and have no more whistle! Two months ago I had to have the local dealer fix my wheel alignment and I had mentioned the wind whistle. The manager told me they would replace the window seals, even though the TSB has been pulled. I didn't take him up on the offer since I had heard it fixed the issue for some, but made the issue worse for others since they haven't redesigned the seal from the original design. So dealers are still willing to try to tackle the wind noise problems, but I fixed it for myself.
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Thank you so much for sharing this information! I really appreciate it!
 
raggedy1 said:
It’s hard to get a good picture. If you roll the glass all the way down and look from the top you will see there is a recessed window seal on the inside of the glass (and outside too of course).

It’s the inside channel that I filled to finally cure my car of any whistle.
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I've had similar success.

One thing I learned is that there's a tendency to hold one end of the foam in place as you slide your finger along it to push it into place. This stretches the foam as it falls into the "groove"and as it settles over time it will shrink back to it's original form leaving it shorter at one or both ends. Try to avoid this by starting in the middle and just pushing downward to push the foam into the channel rather than sliding your finger along it. This will avoid the stretching and will result in a much better fit. Good luck.This method may not solve all whistles and wind noises but it can definitely solve a lot of them.
 
ckon said:
I've had similar success.

One thing I learned is that there's a tendency to hold one end of the foam in place as you slide your finger along it to push it into place. This stretches the foam as it falls into the "groove"and as it settles over time it will shrink back to it's original form leaving it shorter at one or both ends. Try to avoid this by starting in the middle and just pushing downward to push the foam into the channel rather than sliding your finger along it. This will avoid the stretching and will result in a much better fit. Good luck.This method may not solve all whistles and wind noises but it can definitely solve a lot of them.
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How nice , spend up to $50,000 and you have to waste time sticking foam in the door,so you can drive in peace.
 
For me it’s not a waste of time - I enjoy it. Granted it would be nice if the car came from the factory whisper-quiet, but ... Doesn’t really matter, anyway. I’d have found some other way to fix or improve it. :)
 
Yup, I know it may be a straw man argument, but what about owner's changing their badges to Brenthon/Caliburn or all the owners who change their wheels because they aren't fond of the factory look? They get satisfaction of customizing their cars.

I enjoyed solving this problem and can take some pride in it, working with this owner's community to come together and figure out this issue. Sure it would have been awesome if Hyundai actually fixed this flaw in their first year model, but whatever, this isn't the first time nor will it be the last time I fiddle with my cars to "improve" them.

I've wrenched on my cars since high school auto shop and enjoy getting my hands dirty. I had my nearest dealer offer to replace the window seals a couple of months ago and I didn't take him up on the offer even thought I still had my wind whistle. I didn't want him to F up the car worse and my whistle was only present with the HVAC open. Easy enough for me to have the HVAC in recirc plus I knew I was going to continue fiddling with this issue myself hoping to finally solve it, and now I have.

I know in a perfect world our cars would be flawless from the day we bring them home, but no car regardless of price is perfect. The Palisade wind noise issue has been significantly widespread enough to generate pages and pages of discussion on multiple forums, and that only includes owners who notice the issue (some owners I am sure are oblivious) and are going on the internet to find outlets to read about the problem and post their own complaints.

Steelers, you've been very vocal about your disappointment in Hyundai not fixing the problem. Do you still have wind noise or have you fixed it yourself? If you have fixed it, don't you feel good about fixing this with your own hands, at least a little???
 
My 3rd repair attempt was this week. They replaced with these parts:
82530-S8000
82540-S8000
82260-S8000
82250-S8000

I searched these parts online and could not see anything referencing an old vs a new part number. Anybody able to confirm that these are new part numbers replacing old parts? They said it was a new part number which if it is true, Hyundai may have reworked the seals.

With that said, I thought I heard some wind noise on my way home, but as it was raining and I did not have a chance to go on the highway I want to evaluate it fully over the next week to see if it is improved or not.
 
gb23278 said:
My 3rd repair attempt was this week. They replaced with these parts:
82530-S8000
82540-S8000
82260-S8000
82250-S8000

I searched these parts online and could not see anything referencing an old vs a new part number. Anybody able to confirm that these are new part numbers replacing old parts? They said it was a new part number which if it is true, Hyundai may have reworked the seals.

With that said, I thought I heard some wind noise on my way home, but as it was raining and I did not have a chance to go on the highway I want to evaluate it fully over the next week to see if it is improved or not.
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It’s the same part no change
 
gb23278 said:
My 3rd repair attempt was this week. They replaced with these parts:
82530-S8000
82540-S8000
82260-S8000
82250-S8000

I searched these parts online and could not see anything referencing an old vs a new part number. Anybody able to confirm that these are new part numbers replacing old parts? They said it was a new part number which if it is true, Hyundai may have reworked the seals.

With that said, I thought I heard some wind noise on my way home, but as it was raining and I did not have a chance to go on the highway I want to evaluate it fully over the next week to see if it is improved or not.
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I really hope a cure has been found,but would not bet on it.Did they have anything to say,regarding the wind noise ?
 
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